Smart Name Here

sherlocksflataffect:

johnwatsonswindmachine:

hadersgonnahade:

tomhiddledong:

innercheeseburger:

tomhiddledong:

the mediocre gatsby

the decent wall of china 

the ok depression

alright britain

You guys do realize there’s someone who has the url the-adequate-gatsby, right?

The acceptable lakes.

The Bland Canyon.

sherlocksflataffect:

Well, a segment of a wall. It’s cordwood & cobb & wine bottles. It’s actually quite pretty, but damned if climbing all on top of stumps & rocks to be able to reach didn’t make my leg hate me.

Still. I built a wall, fuckers.

I would make a terrible joke about how I thought your eventual goal was to tear down walls, but that would be a) in bad taste and b) devaluing the fact that…

HEY WALL MADE O’ STUFF that walls aren’t usually made out of.

Also, in minor conversation topic change, you had good weather for it most of today. It’s only just started raining now.

seppin:

smartwittyurl:

Then again, who am I to speak. I’ve got privilage, despite a weird minority status, so eh, shouldn’t be qualified to talk about stuff like this.

i’m just gonna

advise u to stop talking

pls do some research

google phrases like “moffat misogyny” 

this shit is not hard to find

maybe once you’d looked at some criticisms i’ll want to engage with you but you don’t really seem like you want to learn? you seem like you want to prove that you’re right?

i am a queer trans* dfab person and i can tell you that i do not consider their representation of people and people like me to be positive 

i am qualified to talk about this stuff 

You’re talking down to me with the assumption I’m not fully aware of the situation as is. Don’t, please, just don’t.

Telling someone to ‘go google it’ is not a way to conduct a conversation especially if it’s gone into debate territory, or if it is, someone’s changed the rules of conversation on me.

I know Moffat’s got issues with misogyny in his works. Thank you for pointing out the blindingly obvious.

But you know what? I like television. I like some mindless entertainment from time to time. 

Yes, it pisses me off that half of the characters who would be considered decent get killed/written off/destroyed in writing.

…But a semi-decent portrayal (as we loop back to the original point of Whedon)? It’s better than none.

Yes, there can be a LOT done to fix ALL of the portrayals of women (trans*, IDing, cis, you name it)…but can we take a moment to appreciate someone who’s written minimally decent female characters for once?

Or is that too mainline of me? Am I showing my age and my rearing too much for this conversation to be considered worthy?

And surprisingly, if we’re placing out labels as a quantifier of how qualified we are to talk about this: I’m queer, not particularly bothered about gender pronouns/presentation but am often IDed by others as either androgen, pre-pubescent male, and/or 16 old female, immigrant, white, an anthropology major, and non-neurotypical.

…Hells, if we’re going to dive into the whole queer/LGBT/non-hetero-cis conversation, can we look at the bastard Ryan Murphy? Or is that a jump of a conversation best saved for another day?

seppin:

smartwittyurl:seppin:smartwittyurl:

Start with the basics. I find that usually helps.

So, I asked a question, which could be a REALLY good starting point:

What is your beef with Whedon’s artistic style, if we’re going via that route?

(And, if you start something, please do the decency of finishing it yourself. Just, please? It’s really annoying (as you can likely attest) to have someone start a conversation only to have another person end it. AKA, take responsibility for possible inflammatory statements)

yo i didn’t go at whedon’s artistic style? but here’s a good start at why he’s not an angel 

also i don’t owe you anything if one of my friends can breakdown something better than i can then i’m gonna let them? if you honestly want the best information you shouldn’t care if it comes from the op or not? so no, i can’t attest? i’d much rather have someone with a good answer talk to me than someone who’s got bad brain fog? so? 

You made it sound like it was, thus my comment.

At this point, I’m greatful for anyone who writes more than the token 1 female into a show. Bonus points for them being a show lead without doing the whole “But I must end up with a happy heteronormative end”…

Okay, colour politics and ethnicity are big issues, but just looking at female characters:

Buffy, and Firefly (I’ll admit, I never watched Angel, so that may colour my analysis) both pass the Bedchel Test AND my unofficial genderswapping dohicky.

I have the same “THE FUCK! HERO” reaction to a mental swap of a male Buffy entering a relationship-ish of sorts with a female Spike…and the same “Mal, what the hell were you thinking” to a swap between him and Saffron.

Yes, I understand that, yes there are issues, but seriously? Whedon’s ahead of counterparts, and until we get female show runners who allow their written female characters to blossom out and don’t stereotype them to hell and back (*coughseragamblecough*) I’ll go with the lesser of two evils.

Which, from what I’ve learnt about any sucessful political movement, there’s a give take between the majority and the minority.

Then again, who am I to speak. I’ve got privilage, despite a weird minority status, so eh, shouldn’t be qualified to talk about stuff like this.

seppin:

smartwittyurl:

OP, she meant exemplary as artists, not as people.

I admire most of them for giving me the meat and potatoes of my entertainment ‘life,’ but understand it is VERY possible to separate the art from the artist.

Yes, Kripke has a bad history with minorities and females in most of his works. But, you know what? The few female characters that have been in his show have been very variant- hells, a single mum not interested in getting married, living single, and raising a kid? Very rare to see in mass media. The fact she’s stated not to want to date again and is content to live alone- when Kripke had most control over the show- is INCREDIBLY uncommon.

Yes, Moffat, like his predecessor, RTD is a pretentious little prick, who seems to devalue women in his work. But, what he’s done with Doctor Who and Sherlock? THAT is what I like. The fact he’s taken two very sacred TV/Radio/Book series and built the world up and made it beautifully tangible.

Like the first respondant, I don’t know what your beef with Whedon is. Please, enlighten me to why he’s evil.

But, I appreciate Whedon for giving me a set of female characters I can go “AND YES! That’s the female role model/s I want for kids” …because, face it, how many shows with believable (because that’s what Buffy is, that’s what Zoe, Kalee, and Inara are) female leads are far and few between.

I also appreciate the work Whedon has done for women’s charities…and in the most slacktivist way possible. Look up “Don’t Stop the Serenity” if you don’t believe me.

yeah i got that op meant as artists

and i still

wouldn’t call them exemplary……………..

can someone else field this holy shit i don’t even know where to start

Start with the basics. I find that usually helps.

So, I asked a question, which could be a REALLY good starting point:

What is your beef with Whedon’s artistic style, if we’re going via that route?

(And, if you start something, please do the decency of finishing it yourself. Just, please? It’s really annoying (as you can likely attest) to have someone start a conversation only to have another person end it. AKA, take responsibility for possible inflammatory statements)

seppin:

redkiteslongnights:seppin:

big shoutout to steven moffat, eric kripke and joss whedon for being fucking disgusting and somehow still managing to be wildly idolized

congratulations 

These may be fallible human beings to say the least, but they’re artists and without them we’d be lacking in some seriously valuable entertainment. I mean, If you think about it, many culturally relevant and deeply talented artists in the past have been douchebags.

Yes, I find Moffat to be a heterocentric sexist twit.
I’m not afraid to whine about that occasionally.
Joss Whedon isn’t a peach either in that regard.
I don’t know who Eric Kripke is or why OP dislikes him.
But you know what? I LOVE Doctor Who and Sherlock.
I LOVE Firefly and Buffy. 

So. Carry on, gentlemen. You’ll learn how to be less prick-ish one of these lifetimes. In the meantime, thank you for being exemplary artists.

uh

i wouldn’t

call them

exemplary 

OP, she meant exemplary as artists, not as people.

I admire most of them for giving me the meat and potatoes of my entertainment ‘life,’ but understand it is VERY possible to separate the art from the artist.

Yes, Kripke has a bad history with minorities and females in most of his works. But, you know what? The few female characters that have been in his show have been very variant- hells, a single mum not interested in getting married, living single, and raising a kid? Very rare to see in mass media. The fact she’s stated not to want to date again and is content to live alone- when Kripke had most control over the show- is INCREDIBLY uncommon.

Yes, Moffat, like his predecessor, RTD is a pretentious little prick, who seems to devalue women in his work. But, what he’s done with Doctor Who and Sherlock? THAT is what I like. The fact he’s taken two very sacred TV/Radio/Book series and built the world up and made it beautifully tangible.

Like the first respondant, I don’t know what your beef with Whedon is. Please, enlighten me to why he’s evil.

But, I appreciate Whedon for giving me a set of female characters I can go “AND YES! That’s the female role model/s I want for kids” …because, face it, how many shows with believable (because that’s what Buffy is, that’s what Zoe, Kalee, and Inara are) female leads are far and few between.

I also appreciate the work Whedon has done for women’s charities…and in the most slacktivist way possible. Look up “Don’t Stop the Serenity” if you don’t believe me.